tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6587700778834733354.post2932441654129676001..comments2023-11-27T11:16:11.797-05:00Comments on Skeptic but Jewish: Defending RubashkinBaruch Spinozahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11879864721961862810noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6587700778834733354.post-68463414825804128162010-12-27T17:33:36.309-05:002010-12-27T17:33:36.309-05:00"You argument still does not hold water becau..."You argument still does not hold water because it is explicitly against Jewish law to oppress your workers.": <br /><br />How did he oppress them? Did he lock them up into a cage and told them to work for him? Did he take out whips and beat them if they refused to work for him? Did he put a gun next to them and told them to work or die? The illegals decided to come over and work for him. How is that in any way oppression? <br /><br />The other problem with what you said is that what Rubashkin did is not against Jewish law. I know of an Orthodox Jew who entirely agrees with me about Rubashkin. He also cannot see what is exactly so wrong with hiring illegals. If it was against Jewish law then he would have likely objected to what Rubaskin did on account of Jewish law. Since he did not do that, and said that he sees nothing wrong with doing that, I conclude that it is not against Jewish law. It is against your own morals which you decided to call "Jewish law".<br /><br />"In any case, maybe you should consider working for a day as a volunteer in a slaughterhouse or do a stitch of serious manual labor before you spout your bilge about how great it is to have the freedom to use people in what every way you see fit as long as it generates a profit.": <br /><br />Point to me where I said that working in a slaughterwise is great? <br /><br />I was very clear. I said that the jobs the illegals had sucked. But it sucked less than anything else that was available for them. Therefore, it is wrong to take away from these choice this choice. <br /><br />The best way you help illegals is by offering them as many choices as possible. If you want to help them then open up a competing business with Rubaskin. But do not say how Rubashkin needs to be regulated to standard conditions of citizens because that would simply make Rubaskin lose incentive in illegals and end up hurting illegals. <br /><br />Economics is not the study of hopes and intentions but the study of cause and effects. Your intentions are good but they will end up harming the very same people they are designed to protect. Another good example of unintended consequences from good intentions.Baruch Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11879864721961862810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6587700778834733354.post-58011723258009295492010-12-27T13:20:38.706-05:002010-12-27T13:20:38.706-05:00You argument still does not hold water because it ...You argument still does not hold water because it is explicitly against Jewish law to oppress your workers. Since Rabushkin traded on his reputation as an orthodox Jew adhering to Jewish law, it could be argued that he defrauded his customers. In any case, maybe you should consider working for a day as a volunteer in a slaughterhouse or do a stitch of serious manual labor before you spout your bilge about how great it is to have the freedom to use people in what every way you see fit as long as it generates a profit.Herr Snooblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05235146307373159873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6587700778834733354.post-31548552106817370402010-12-27T00:17:22.414-05:002010-12-27T00:17:22.414-05:00"You base your argument on his being in jail ..."You base your argument on his being in jail because of hiring illegals. He was never tried on these charges. The government dropped them when he was convicted of bank fraud. Bank fraud is the reason he's in jail. The issue of hiring illegals is irrelevant to why he sits in jail. If you think he's in jail for hiring illegals, or should be freed for that reason, you have no understanding of the criminal justice system.": <br /><br />Yes, you are right. I looked it up online and the reason why he was send into jail was because of bank fraud. <br /><br />I knew there was bank fraud present in his trail and I thought he was convicted for two charges (illegal workers and fraud). But I had no idea that the illegal workers charge was entirely dropped. <br />--- <br /><br />But this post of mine still does have credit if you reinterpret the title to mean "Defending the illegal hirings of Rubashkin". <br /><br />Also, as I said, lots of Jewish comment sections were filled about his illegal workers, not so much mention of fraud. The Jews who were angry and hated Rubashkin had this anger mainly because of his illegal hirings. I am defending that practice. <br /><br />As far as bank fraud goes. Well, I cannot possibly defend that charge since there is nothing to defend about something like that. All I can say is that Rubashkin should not be in jail, as I said above, because he is not a violent criminal. <br /><br />"I generally enjoy reading your blog.": <br /><br />Really, this piece of trash? Well, thank you for that.Baruch Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11879864721961862810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6587700778834733354.post-55913939273990145642010-12-26T18:50:58.245-05:002010-12-26T18:50:58.245-05:00You base your argument on his being in jail becaus...You base your argument on his being in jail because of hiring illegals. He was never tried on these charges. The government dropped them when he was convicted of bank fraud. Bank fraud is the reason he's in jail. The issue of hiring illegals is irrelevant to why he sits in jail. If you think he's in jail for hiring illegals, or should be freed for that reason, you have no understanding of the criminal justice system. I generally enjoy reading your blog. I'm saddened at your degree of ignorance on this issue and your posting information that is false.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6587700778834733354.post-51514783617758521702010-12-26T12:37:19.767-05:002010-12-26T12:37:19.767-05:00"He was tried and convicted of defrauding a b..."He was tried and convicted of defrauding a bank and that's what sent him to jail. The illegal workers charges were dropped and most of the illegals were NOT Mexican.": <br /><br />Let us examine what you say. <br /><br />You say that the illegals were not Mexican. Who cares? Why does it matter? Does my arguments all of the sudden cease to matter that my specifics were off? <br /><br />You say he got send into jail for bank charges. That was only one charge. The other charge is that he got sent into jail also for hiring illegal immigrants. If it is really true that his only crime was bank fraud then why are all Jewish bloggers and comment sections filled with his illegal work practice? Why would that be relevant to his trail? <br /><br />"It's your blog, but it would be helpful if you posted fact and not some wrong information you probably dug out of your rear end.": <br /><br />Let me ask you this question again. Does my mistake automatically disqualify the defense that I presented? What I wrote is relevant to his defense and it is something you did not refute. If you think I am wrong in defending him then you must explain why my defense is weak and not just say that I got some specifics wrong. <br /><br />I am not trying to be some news source. Hence, I do not care about the accuracy of the news information presented here. I care about the ideas that are involved in various stories. The specifics you can always find in a newspaper.Baruch Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11879864721961862810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6587700778834733354.post-1713837376997586252010-12-26T11:58:29.594-05:002010-12-26T11:58:29.594-05:00At least you got the name Rubashkin right and the ...At least you got the name Rubashkin right and the word jail as well. The rest of your screed truly answers the question of how ignorant one can be. He was tried and convicted of defrauding a bank and that's what sent him to jail. The illegal workers charges were dropped and most of the illegals were NOT Mexican. It's your blog, but it would be helpful if you posted fact and not some wrong information you probably dug out of your rear end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6587700778834733354.post-29324354370479617782010-12-26T11:29:01.229-05:002010-12-26T11:29:01.229-05:00Additionally, the fact that illegals are without p...Additionally, the fact that illegals are without protection of law is not Rubashkin's fault, but that of the government. It's the same way that prostitutes and drug dealers are without protection.Puzzledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12866127197554237039noreply@blogger.com