Every once in a while I come across on TV about some tiny girl or boy and how they have a black belt in karate. I immediately think to myself how can someone like that beat somebody up? And then I remind myself there are hundreds of people who go to karate class once to two times a week and after a few years get a black belt. No big deal.
Here is the truth about martial arts, it is just a big scam. In karate two opponents fight with one another in a respectful manner. In tae kwon do two opponents fight using only their feet. But moreover these are sports. They are not real fighting lessons how to beat somebody up. If you want a workout and exercise and have some fun go and take some karate or tae kwon do. But do not expect to beat somebody up with those lessons.
Boxing does a lot more for you to learn how to beat people up. Because boxing is a sport about beating people up. Karate and tae kwon do are not, they include fighting. But that is often very protective fighting, limited fighting, and they do not concentrate so much on fighting. Wrestling is also a good thing to practice if you want to beat people up. People in real fights people do wrestle with one another.
But it is just non-sense to actually believe you learn how to fight by getting a black belt or taking a few tae kwon do lessons. A real fight is absolutely nothing what they teach you in these martial arts classes. Ever see are a real fight? In fact, what is so assuming to watch, and what illustrates my point, is that when two tae kwon do opponents get angry at one another and go after each other as in a real fight, they no longer use tae kwon do. They abandon all their fancy footwork and kicks, just jump at one another, wrestle, strange, box, and everything at once. This just goes to show that tae kwon do and karate and all the like martial arts are non-sense when it comes to a real fight.
Do not misunderstand me. I am not saying there are no courses that teach you how to fight. There are. But none of them are really martial arts. None of them have ridiculous uniforms. None of them have thousand year traditions. None of them have that ridiculous form demonstration. None of them have gay rainbow colored belts that you wear in progressive steps. None of them have these fancy looking moves and kicks that you find in martial arts. They get past all the non-sense and get to the point.
Boxing teaches you how to fight more appropriately, but I do not think of it as a martial art. Though boxing is limited. Boxing is only hand fighting. In a real fight there is a lot more to learn. Wrestling is also good to learn but it is just takedowns, which is really useful in a real fight but you need to learn how to use your hands too.
The military teaches hand-to-hand combat which is designed to be used for a real fight. Because the military understands that real fights are not some ideal fancy situation that martial arts conjures, but a mess. Sambo, for instance, is excellent to study if you want to learn how to beat up people. Because Sambo is from Soviet military training, it is designed to teach soldiers how to fight in real conditions.
If you want to learn to fight, for real, get past this karate and tae kwon do non-sense. Go and learn something that really is based on real fighting. But there you will not learn any fancy flying kicks.
Tae kwon do certainly looks fancy and cool. But ultimately it is non-sense. I seen lots of videos of people from tae kwon do being absolutely demolished by someone who knows a little bit about MMA (mixed-martial arts). Because the MMA practitioner does not stand there and exchange kicks back and forth with the guy from tae kwon do. He knows he is not as skilled with his legs. Rather he just charges into him, takes him down, then pounds him into submission on the floor.
I know that MMA is called martial-arts. But I when I say martial arts I refer to the traditional artistic fighting styles that people get their belts at. MMA has none of that. It is not fancy, there are no graceful moves. It is a real fight. It looks exactly what a real fight looks like.
This is why when I hear somebody say "I have a black belt from karate" or "I got a black belt in tae kwon do" I consider those meaningless statements that reveal how good they would be in a fight. If I heard somebody say "I learned some hand combat in the military" or "I been practicing my Sambo" then I would respect a statement like that.
If you really want to learn how to defend yourself be a good America and buy a gun.
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-Every once in a while I come across on TV about some tiny girl or boy and how they have a black belt in karate. I immediately think to myself how can someone like that beat somebody up?
ReplyDeleteI agree that kids should not get black belts but they are strong relative to their age group.
-And then I remind myself there are hundreds of people who go to karate class once to two times a week and after a few years get a black belt. No big deal.
This is a non-statement. There are ways to spot a mc-dojo.
-Here is the truth about martial arts, it is just a big scam. In karate two opponents fight with one another in a respectful manner.
The purpose of karate sparring is to get past the opponent's defense.
-In tae kwon do two opponents fight using only their feet.
Ahem * cough * Tae Kwon Do means the art of kicking and punching.
-But moreover these are sports. They are not real fighting lessons how to beat somebody up. If you want a workout and exercise and have some fun go and take some karate or tae kwon do. But do not expect to beat somebody up with those lessons.
It's true that karate people don't beat people up in the lessons, but a good dojo will teach how to punch and kick properly, and have physical conditioning and endurance drills.
-Boxing does a lot more for you to learn how to beat people up. Because boxing is a sport about beating people up. Karate and tae kwon do are not, they include fighting. But that is often very protective fighting, limited fighting, and they do not concentrate so much on fighting.
ReplyDeleteI respect boxing as an aspect of fighting, but boxing is not the end all be all.
Wrestling is also a good thing to practice if you want to beat people up. People in real fights people do wrestle with one another.
Real fights don't necessarily go to the ground. Only when you get a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu guy since that's the game he wants to play.
But it is just non-sense to actually believe you learn how to fight by getting a black belt or taking a few tae kwon do lessons. A real fight is absolutely nothing what they teach you in these martial arts classes.
You simply don't understand the training. I wouldn't step into a ring with a black belt from a good dojo.
Ever see are a real fight? In fact, what is so assuming to watch, and what illustrates my point, is that when two tae kwon do opponents get angry at one another and go after each other as in a real fight, they no longer use tae kwon do. They abandon all their fancy footwork and kicks, just jump at one another, wrestle, strange, box, and everything at once. This just goes to show that tae kwon do and karate and all the like martial arts are non-sense when it comes to a real fight.
You mean to say dojos don't teach stuff like keep the wrist straight while punching? Dojos don't make students do squats to increase kicking power? Tae Kwon Do people never use kicks in real fighting? Hmmmmm, biiiiiiiiiig generalization there.
Do not misunderstand me. I am not saying there are no courses that teach you how to fight. There are. But none of them are really martial arts. None of them have ridiculous uniforms. None of them have thousand year traditions. None of them have that ridiculous form demonstration. None of them have gay rainbow colored belts that you wear in progressive steps. None of them have these fancy looking moves and kicks that you find in martial arts. They get past all the non-sense and get to the point.
ReplyDeleteBoxing teaches you how to fight more appropriately, but I do not think of it as a martial art. Though boxing is limited. Boxing is only hand fighting. In a real fight there is a lot more to learn. Wrestling is also good to learn but it is just takedowns, which is really useful in a real fight but you need to learn how to use your hands too.
The military teaches hand-to-hand combat which is designed to be used for a real fight. Because the military understands that real fights are not some ideal fancy situation that martial arts conjures, but a mess. Sambo, for instance, is excellent to study if you want to learn how to beat up people. Because Sambo is from Soviet military training, it is designed to teach soldiers how to fight in real conditions.
If you want to learn to fight, for real, get past this karate and tae kwon do non-sense. Go and learn something that really is based on real fighting. But there you will not learn any fancy flying kicks.
Human Weapon: Tae Kwon Do - Rear Horse Kick
Human Weapon: Tae Kwon Do- Tornado Kick
Enough said with these two youtube vids.
Tae kwon do certainly looks fancy and cool. But ultimately it is non-sense. I seen lots of videos of people from tae kwon do being absolutely demolished by someone who knows a little bit about MMA (mixed-martial arts).
Because the MMA practitioner does not stand there and exchange kicks back and forth with the guy from tae kwon do. He knows he is not as skilled with his legs. Rather he just charges into him, takes him down, then pounds him into submission on the floor.
So MMA fighters are bad asses who are not as skilled with kicks? That's true MMA? Really? Don't sound too well rounded if you ask me. Ground and pound is not the totality of fighting.
I know that MMA is called martial-arts. But I when I say martial arts I refer to the traditional artistic fighting styles that people get their belts at. MMA has none of that. It is not fancy, there are no graceful moves. It is a real fight. It looks exactly what a real fight looks like.
ReplyDeleteSeems to me the graceful moves is more of a Wushu thing. They're generally straight up that Wushu is a demonstration sport.
This is why when I hear somebody say "I have a black belt from karate" or "I got a black belt in tae kwon do" I consider those meaningless statements that reveal how good they would be in a fight. If I heard somebody say "I learned some hand combat in the military" or "I been practicing my Sambo" then I would respect a statement like that.
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Also, you realize Sambo is Russian Judo, right?
Even Brazilian Jiu Jitsu comes from traditional Japanese JiuJitsu & Judo and the Gracies hustled BJJ as their own thing.
If you really want to learn how to defend yourself be a good America and buy a gun.
Or go to a good dojo.
You missed everything that I said. I said that a real fight does not have fancy flying kicks. Or back flips. Or artistic aerials. That is just for show. And that is what they show in the movies.
ReplyDeleteBut in a real fight. None of that stuff matters. A real fight, possibly a fight to the death, is dirty. It is pushing and shoving. It is on the floor. It is strangling the opponent. And so forth.
All the fancy aerials and beautiful kicks you learn in tae kwon do and karate is entirely worthless in a real fight.
This is why I singled out boxing/kickboxing, wrestling, Sambo (or BJJ). Because those represent real fighting.
Do this test. Take any expert black belt in tae kwon do or karate and put him into a ring with someone who is moderately well trained in MMA. I assure you the MMA practioner will absolutely demolish the black belt. Because black belts are not taught to fight in real fights.
"non-sense" is a non-word.
ReplyDeleteA Karate/TKD dojo will say that the fancy aerial kicks are for show. Second, you need to watch the Human Weapon episode of Tae Kwon Do. TKD prepares you for stand up fighting. The ground and pound part of MMA is not apart of stand up fighting.
ReplyDeleteYou wouldn't level the same criticism at Muay Thai, Karate/TKD is just a different way of doing the same thing as Muay Thai.
Which is also why you are comparing apples to oranges when you imagine a karate/TKD guy in a ring with a MMA guy. A karate/TKD guy would need a wrestling/sambo kind of background also to take on a MMA guy, and a grappler would need some kind of kickboxing background to take on a karate guy. To be even more facetious, why not put a boxer in a ring with a wrestler?
Also in the few the times I had a real fight I never once had to fight on the ground. Saying that all fights go to the ground is just Brazilian Jiu Jitsu propaganda and self fufilling prophecy.
One point I want to reemphasize is that ground and pound is not the totality of fighting. If that's what MMA is to you, then it is not truely mixed.
And lastly, rest assured, a black belt from a good dojo will hit hard in a real fight.
"TKD prepares you for stand up fighting.":
ReplyDeleteExactly, which is why it does not prepare you for real fighting. A real fight does not need to be ideal.
Let me ask you a question. Suppose a giant NHL football player is in a fight with someone who knows tae kwon do. My question is very simple. What is stopping the footballer from putting his head down and charging into his opponent? If he does that, tae kwon do is useless, the fancy flying kick is useless, the backflip is useless. At that point when the footballer and the tae kwon do guy are hugging eachother, all the tae kwon do is useless. All the NHL fighter had to do is take him down to the floor then ground and pound.
That is a real fight. That does happen. And I want to hear you admit that tae kwon do and karate is useless under those circumstances.
"Which is also why you are comparing apples to oranges when you imagine a karate/TKD guy in a ring with a MMA guy. A karate/TKD guy would need a wrestling/sambo kind of background also to take on a MMA guy, and a grappler would need some kind of kickboxing background to take on a karate guy.":
No I am not, I am making a fair comparison. My entire point is that I do not need to tae kwon do or karate to take on a master of tae kwon do if I happen to be excellent in sambo. Because I am not going to stand there and let you kick me. I will run up to you and take you down. From that point my grappling will finish you.
I agree with you that if I only know sambo or BJJ and you are great at tae kwon do then I have no chance against you in long-distance fighting. Because you will destroy me with your legs. But in a real fight I will not stand there and let you do that to me.
In this manner someone who knowns grapping, wrestling, military hand-to-hand combat, if one who has much more favorable winning conditions over somebody who knows karate or tae kwon do. Which brings me back to my point that martial arts and black belts are useless.
"Also in the few the times I had a real fight I never once had to fight on the ground.":
Neither have I, but I do realize that the most important technique is close combat which can possibly lead to the floor. If you had smart opponents who knew BJJ you would have had a floor fight.
"Saying that all fights go to the ground is just Brazilian Jiu Jitsu propaganda and self fufilling prophecy.":
It is funny seeing how all karate and tae kwon do people get so angry about the fact that sambo and ju-jitsu has better chances (accorindg to MMA) at winning fights.
"And lastly, rest assured, a black belt from a good dojo will hit hard in a real fight.":
Bruce Lee once said that boards do not hit back. And he is absolutely right. It does not matter how hard you hit or how many boards you break. It comes down to who is able to beat up who.
A black belt from a strong martial arts school would ultimately be useless and helpless against Brock Lesnar. Lesnar is a wrestler. He knows no karate nor tae kwon do. All he will do is charge into the martial artist. Bring him to the floor. Then do his favorite ground and pound until it is all over.
If you want fancy flying kicks and back flips either go to a tae kwon do school or a gynmastic school. If you want to break boards go to a karate school. But if you want to learn to beat people up for real, then go and learn something which is not martial arts.
Exactly, which is why it does not prepare you for real fighting. A real fight does not need to be ideal.
ReplyDeleteDude, real fights don't always go to the ground!!!! lol to kid around that for a moment, get that through your MMA head. XD
Let me ask you a question. Suppose a giant NHL football player is in a fight with someone who knows tae kwon do. My question is very simple. What is stopping the footballer from putting his head down and charging into his opponent? If he does that, tae kwon do is useless, the fancy flying kick is useless, the backflip is useless. At that point when the footballer and the tae kwon do guy are hugging eachother, all the tae kwon do is useless. All the NHL fighter had to do is take him down to the floor then ground and pound.
Someone who has sparred alot would be able to move around in the ring to evade that rendering your point basically moot.
That is a real fight. That does happen. And I want to hear you admit that tae kwon do and karate is useless under those circumstances.
A wrestling/sambo background is also helpful to a martial artist. I see absolutely nothing wrong with being a well rounded fighter in a striking and grappling art. To that extent I agree with MMA in theory.
It is funny seeing how all karate and tae kwon do people get so angry about the fact that sambo and ju-jitsu has better chances (accorindg to MMA) at winning fights.
To repeat, it's not true MMA if the kickboxing aspect is minimized to ground-and-pound-jitsu. MMA in practice the way you describe it appears to be much narrower than MMA in theory.
Bruce Lee once said that boards do not hit back. And he is absolutely right. It does not matter how hard you hit or how many boards you break. It comes down to who is able to beat up who.
No matter what school you go to, noone can beat up everyone. There is always someone who is stronger no matter how strong you are. What you do is train to be strong yourself.
A black belt from a strong martial arts school would ultimately be useless and helpless against Brock Lesnar. Lesnar is a wrestler. He knows no karate nor tae kwon do. All he will do is charge into the martial artist. Bring him to the floor. Then do his favorite ground and pound until it is all over.
Anyone who steps into the ring with Lesnar should be skilled at a striking and grappling art to have a similar skill set. Failing that, a karate guy can move around in the ring.
If you want fancy flying kicks and back flips either go to a tae kwon do school or a gynmastic school. If you want to break boards go to a karate school. But if you want to learn to beat people up for real, then go and learn something which is not martial arts.
You are forgetting very practical front kicks, roundhouse kicks, side kicks, and sometimes a back kick can even score if one is really good at it. TKD people also break boards with hands and feet but not brick with feet obviously.
"Dude, real fights don't always go to the ground!!!! lol to kid around that for a moment, get that through your MMA head. XD":
ReplyDeleteThey do not have to go down to the ground. Not all fights in MMA go down to the ground. That is not what I said. I said that a real fight does not need to have favorable conditions. If I know Sambo I will turn it into a ground fight.
"Someone who has sparred alot would be able to move around in the ring to evade that rendering your point basically moot.":
False. Put Brock Lesnar into a ring (or better, a cage) with someone who knows karate. Do you really expect me believe that the karate fighter would be able to evade Brock? Brock is fast, he charges in, and turn the fight into a ground fight. How in the world is the karate guy going to evade that? Does he have some magical karate power like in the movies. That he can do flips and evade him? No, he is just as fast as moving around as Brock is. If Brock charges then it is a wrestling matching. That is when karate is useless.
"Failing that, a karate guy can move around in the ring.":
How? You not making any sense here. Brock will charge at him. So the karate guy can either respond to his charge (which is a wrestle and grappling fight) or he can evade him. If he steps out of his path Brock will change direction and charge again. He will do this until the karate guy is cornerd. Where will go after that? In general those people who back away from their opponents in a fight are on the losing side. Face it, karate or tae kwon do alone has no chance against Brock Lesnar.
"You are forgetting very practical front kicks, roundhouse kicks, side kicks, and sometimes a back kick can even score if one is really good at it."
Useless if you are 2 inches away from someone.
Let me ask you answer basic question. Why is it that there are no serious opponents in MMA that do karate or tae kwon do? Why is that? If it was really true that tae kwon do and karate can just magically somehow evade the attack then why are there no amazing MMA fighters who do tae kwon do or karate?
If you look at the good MMA fighters they all know how to wrestle. They know how to grapple. They might know some BJJ or Sambo or Judo. In addition to that they also might know boxing and kickboxing. But you will never find. Ever. An MMA fighter who is top ranked and who only does karate and tae kwon do.
Why? Very simple. Because martial arts (karate and tae kwon do) is useless against wrestling and grabbling. That is why all fighter have a mixture of other techniques also.
Do you seriously believe that if you put someone who has highest degree black belt in tae kwon do and karate at the same time into a ring with Brock Lesnar that he has a chance against him? Come on, be serious.
LOL there will always be guys who defend martial arts like Karate or TKD. But it doesn't really matter...anyone who's honest will readily admit that certain training makes someone a much stronger fighter in real life (wrestling/muay thai/bjj/krav maga/boxing, etc) and some (karate, etc) will leave the student with little, if any, advantage over an untrained street fighter.
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