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Tuesday, December 14, 2010

Videos of How Martial Arts is Useless

In my past post I explained why all the martial arts styles such as: tae kwon do, karate, kung fu and so forth do not teach you how to fight for real. They only focus on ideal circumstances. My main argument is that once if your opponent is wild and charges into you, he will take you to the floor. At that point all your martial arts is useless.

There are fighting disciplines that actually do teach you how to properly fight, but I do not really think of that as martial arts. These include ju-jitsu, Sambo, Krav-Maga, wrestling and so forth (in a few circumstances even boxing). I do not think of them as martial arts simply because when people think of "martial arts" they stereotypically imagine flying kicks and back flips as in the movies.

In actuality real fights are messy and do not have ideal situations at all. If you know tae kwon do so that you prefer long distance fighting there is no reason to assume why a professional boxer would stay far away, he would most certainly turn the fight into a close distance fight, at this point tae kwon do is useless. And if the opponent is a wrestler he will charge in for a tackle to take the fight into ground and pound.

Those who still foolishly insist that tae kwon do or karate or kung fu (and so on) can stand a chance against something like Sambo or MMA then you need to explain how they can prevent a ground fight. That is what you must prove to me instead of just saying the martial artists know how to dodge such attacks.

Here I have a few videos on YouTube that nicely illustrate the failure of martial arts. And I know what some people would say. They will say "that is not fair, the MMA guy is more skilled". Even if that is true, this is not the point. My point is to show how all these fights, against practioners of MMA, turn into ground fights. Please take notice how martial artists try to avoid ground fights but they inevitably cannot avoid them.

First Video: I love this video, even though it is a little unfair. The tae kwon do fighter is smaller. But I like it because it illustrates why tae kwon do is utterly useless in a real fight. I also find it hilarous how the tae kwon do fighter begins with a flying diving kick as if that will do anything. It looks fancy and cool, but what does it actually accomplish. Watch here.

Second Video: This is a great video, this one is fair. And this seems to be a professional fighting competition. One of the fighters is an MMA fighter, the other is tae kwon do. It should be obvious which one is which. The tae kwon do fighter is the one throwing spinning kicks. The MMA fighter brings him, on three consistent occasions, to the floor. Notice how easily MMA dominates on the floor and hence the fight. The ending is really nice. It is rare to see a scissor choke. It seems the MMA fighter was going for everybody's favorite armbar but then realize he had an opportunity to do a scissor leg choke. Watch here.

Third Video: This is another good video. This features Royce Gracie, a famous MMA fighter. He was part of UFC from the very beginning, was champion from UFC 1 to UFC 4. Royce Gracie is a great fighter who specializes in ju-jitsu. His opponent practices kung-fu mystical garbage. Watch how it is entirely inevitable for Royce Garcie to force his opponent to go to the floor. Once the kung fu fighter is on the floor, it is all over. Just watch how easily Royce Gracie dominates the fight. You can sense the kung fu fighter is totally lost and has no idea what he is doing. Watch here.

Fourth Video: This one is kinda funny. This features karate vs ju jitsu. Karate fighter obviously trying to keep this fight on the feet. But quickly fails as the ju jitsu fighter takes him down to the floor. Once the fight is on the floor the ju jitsu fighter has complete domination over the fight. Notice how easily and nicely he catches the karate guy in an armbar for a quick tap out. Watch here.

Fifth Video: This one is really unfair, I think. It is hard to see the size of the kung fu fighter but he appears to be much smaller. But it is funny. It is funny how the fight, immediately, ends up on the ground. From that point on the MMA fighter has complete domination and makes the kung fu fighter tap out, which seems to be a kimura from the video. Watch here.

Sixth Video: This one is just Sambo vs Sambo, but I decided to post it because it shows that Sambo actually teaches stand fighting also. Not only boxing but also kick boxing. People who know Sambo also know how to fight standing. The same cannot be said with the useless kung fu and karate practioners. Watch here. Just for the sake of hit here is another video of a Sambo fight that ends up in a ground fight. Notice how both fighters are prepared in this fight. Both standing, wrestling, and on the ground. This even feels like an MMA fight, which makes sense, since Sambo is intended for purposes of being used in real fights. Watch here.

I hope this finally shows that I was correct about asserting how martial arts is useless. And even if you can find videos of tae kwon do or karate fighters beating up MMA or Sambo fighters (which I find hard to believe) pay attention that they probably ended up on the ground anyway. Which only proves my point. It does not matter if tae kwon do defeats MMA if it happens on the ground. Because it was not the tae kwon do that won the fight, but ground fighting (real fighting) that did.

And do not misunderstand me. I do not mean anything bad to karate or tae kwon do. They are sports. They are good for you. You learn a few things. But please do not confuse them for real fighting. Because they are not and never will be. Tae kwon do and karate takes more flexibility than MMA, and they are more artist and classy, but they are not real. Stop trying to pass it off as if tae kwon do represents a real fight.

20 comments:

  1. First Video: tae kwon do teaches standup. The TKD practicioner should not have walked into a cage where ground fighting is allowed without being skilled in a grappling art also.



    The TKD fighter in the second video should have been much more linear in his approach. TKD does train in the standard front roundhouse and side kicks.


    In the third video Gracie was fouling hitting the back of the opponent. -.-

    Forth and fifth video: Same comment as first video.

    Sixth video: Your comment on the sixth video is the most revealing.

    Here you admit standup game is important while you only seem to admire Sambo. Even the most hardcore MMA people realize the importance of standup and they employ Muay Thai. Karate and TKD is just another way of doing Muay Thai.

    It is worth noting that the victor in the sixth video uses a fancy back kick at :34 * gasp * they do work if a practitioner has practiced it enough. Not only that you ignoooooooooooore the preparation in standard front, roundhouse, and side kicks.


    Karate/TKD (from a good dojo) does prepare you for real standup, students don't hit hard during lessons, but they will hit hard in real fights.


    Even more revealing in your comment on the sixth video is that you agreed with me that a true MMA fight does not minimize the kickboxing aspect. Ground and pound is not a real MMA fight, it's not even mixed.


    My guess is that you recently joined a MMA gym and you're trying to kiss their butts by diminishing other robust arts.

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  2. "First Video: tae kwon do teaches standup. The TKD practicioner should not have walked into a cage where ground fighting is allowed without being skilled in a grappling art also.":

    So in other words if this was a real fight then tae kwon do would be useless.

    "In the third video Gracie was fouling hitting the back of the opponent. -.-":

    No foul. In old days of MMA the only fouls included eye jabbing, hair pulling, and biting. In modern days of MMA they added more humane rules. Like no elbowing opponent on the ground. But old style MMA, my favorite, is as close to as real fight as you get since it hardly had any rules in it.

    Besides even if Gracie fouled him it does not matter because my point was that a grappler will force a stand up fight into a ground fight. And that is clearly was happened.

    "Forth and fifth video: Same comment as first video.":

    So in other words if this was a real fight then karate and tae kwon do would be useless.

    "Here you admit standup game is important while you only seem to admire Sambo. Even the most hardcore MMA people realize the importance of standup and they employ Muay Thai. Karate and TKD is just another way of doing Muay Thai.":

    I always said that stand up fighting is important. I only said that stand up fighting is useless on the floor, for obvious reasons. Thus, if in a real fight your opponent is a charger then you will have to turn your fight into a wrestling and grappling match - hence stand up fighting is useless. But if you can out wrestle him and then maintain the fight on the feet then you can use your punches and kicks to knock him out.

    "My guess is that you recently joined a MMA gym and you're trying to kiss their butts by diminishing other robust arts.":

    I do not kiss butt, I suck dick.

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  3. >> So in other words if this was a real fight then tae kwon do would be useless.

    I never once had a real fight that went to the ground.

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  4. "I never once had a real fight that went to the ground.":

    That does not mean that it never goes down to the ground.

    I am waiting for you to admit that if you are in a real fight and your opponent forces it to the ground then all the karate and taw kwon do you know is useless.

    That is my entire point of what I am saying. You are looking at special cases. I am talking about in general. You told me martial arts can dodge grapplers but I posted videos that show this is false if the grappler knows what he is doing.

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  5. I already said someone going into MMA and someone in general should be skilled at a striking and grappling art.

    Seems we are in agreement.

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  6. "Seems we are in agreement.":

    No we are not in agreement. I said that martial arts is useless in a real fight because there is no telling if your opponent will charge or wrestle you.

    If that happens then martial arts is useless.

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  7. Not really, someone would still be able to hit hard from training, and I have never been charged or wrestled with in a real fight. Not everyone you fight is going to be Lesnar.

    There's Judo and Japanese Jiu Jitsu for grappling arts. (The Gracies ripped off the Japanese)

    If the opponent does not charge or wrestle, then ground game is going to be useless and you need karate.

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  8. MMA aka Mixed Martial Arts is by definition still a martial art (hell its even in the name!) This disproves conclusively the stupid thought contained in the title of the article.

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  9. "MMA aka Mixed Martial Arts is by definition still a martial art (hell its even in the name!) This disproves conclusively the stupid thought contained in the title of the article.":

    Thank you Captain Obvious for that entirely brilliant observation.

    I thought it was clear when I said what I consider martial arts. I said when I say "martial arts" I refer to the traditional stereotypical styles.

    If you ask a random person to name a martial art they will name something as: karate, tae kwon do, kung fu, white crane, drunken fist, Shaolin, Tang so do, Jeet kune do, and so forth. Hardly anyone ever thinks of military hand-to-hand combat or wrestling as a martial art.

    My point in this post and the previous one was that all of these traditional styles (or what I simply call martial arts) are useless in real fights. They look good in movies. And they look good in tornaments. But they are utterly useless in a real fight. I then provide videos that illustrate how a wrestler and a grappler can force such a fight into a ground fight, something martial arts does not much focus on.

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  10. "If the opponent does not charge or wrestle, then ground game is going to be useless and you need karate. Not everyone you fight is going to be Lesnar.":

    Again, not all fights go to the grounds, but if they do then martial arts is useless. Right? I keep pressing you on this but you evade it.

    Let me phrase the question even more clearly. If you are fighting Lesnar in a real fight then karate and tae kwon do is useless. Agreed?

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  11. If the fight goes to the ground, many martial arts have grappling components. For example, judo is a grappling art, jiu jitsu and BJJ are primarily grappling, and even striking arts contain some grappling.

    The key is to not learn the rules. A black belt, for example, probably doesn't expect to be poked in the eye, and won't think to do it, but this is a very effective, for example, defense against choke.

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  12. "The key is to not learn the rules. A black belt, for example, probably doesn't expect to be poked in the eye, and won't think to do it, but this is a very effective, for example, defense against choke.":

    This is another reason why I think military hand-to-hand combat is ideal to learn in a real fight. Because they do teach illegal moves. I cannot think of any competition that allows fighters to bite eachother or pull on hair. But these are amazingly useful strategies. If you get caught in an armbar your only chance to escape from it might be to bite your opponents leg really hard until he is force to let you go. Even UFC in its early days had a few rules about that.

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  13. My understanding is Velasquez beat Lesnar when Velasquez turned it into a standup.

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  14. "My understanding is Velasquez beat Lesnar when Velasquez turned it into a standup.":

    Did you see the fight? If you saw the fight you would not be saying that. You can see it here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ-0CXJqGDg).

    The fight was entirely fought in a wrestling position, either standing up or on the ground. That is not a stand up fight. There was a number of punches interchanged in a standup position but the point was the Brock did force Cain into a ground and wrestling fight.

    The reason why Cain was able to withstand Brock is because Cain is primarily a wrestler. If Cain just knew some tae kwon do he would have been finished early in the fight.

    Again we see how martial arts is useless. Look at the fight. That is not exactly what people think of "martial arts", it is a very messy and clumsy fight.

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  15. Still, Velasquez punched out Lesnar. In martial arts sparring noone does any "graceful moves." It's very linear.

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  16. "Still, Velasquez punched out Lesnar. In martial arts sparring noone does any "graceful moves." It's very linear.":

    Punched him out on the floor, that is not martial arts, that is something you see in a street fight. Admit it, tae kwon do and karate is useless in a fight like this.

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  17. Tae Kwon Do and Karate trains you to hit hard.

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  18. "Tae Kwon Do and Karate trains you to hit hard.":

    You are again missing the entire point. I said that tae kwon do and karate is useless against a fight with Lesnar. You just avoided this entirely and said it teaches you to hit hard. Boxing also teaches you to hit hard, in even more realistic conditions, I think a boxer can hit harder than someone who knows karate. But we both would agree that boxing is useless in an MMA fight.

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  19. There are rules in the Boxing ring, Karate tournaments, and MMA cages. Regardless of the amount of blood, and presumed violence of each, they still all have rules for one very real reason...they each of them would not guarantee victory in any "real fight" as you like to say.

    Taking on mismatched martial artists, or a Gung Fu (not all Kung Fu is equal)practicioner, who clearly was incompletely trained at some watered down Americanized school, proves absolutely Nothing.

    If you want a "real fight", there are NO rules. Whoever wins, wins. Period. There is a Kung Fu Master (actual Soalin Munk) who has a school in New York City. I dare "ANY" of the Gracies to go to his school and challenge him to a "real fight". They won't because they are pussies. He would send any of them back home with broken Brazillian nuts.

    Talk is cheap. Don't go up against a student who's training is clearly incomplete and watered down. Grow a set and go up against a "Real" Kung Fu Master.

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  20. wow I just saw this. BJJ is a form of martial arts. You say martial arts are useless. But you say BJJ is not useless. But BJJ is a form of martial arts, but then it should be useless, ho wait, it's not, or is it?
    Ironic isn't it?
    What if a Karate master challenges a BJJ pro on a standup striking fight then?
    You see, you take a fish out of water, the fish cannot swim. You put a Monkey in water, it cannot swim as well as a fish. A fish is no better than a monkey, nor is the monkey better than the fish. They're different.
    Now, if you actually analyse BJJ, how many times do you actually fight with a gi? Go think about it, break your bubble, and analyse your own contradictions. Please do so, sir.

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