I do not see why people treat circumcision as such a terrible evil in the world. It certainly is wrong. Parents perform an unnecessary operation on their kid. Parents make a choice about the boy's penis rather than him deciding that himself when he gets older. An operation that will limit his sexual pleasure to a certain extent. I do not approve of this.
But this is not the worst thing in the world. It is not anywhere close to the worst thing in the world. The objections I have to circumcision I listed in the above paragraph. I do not see any other objection to circumcision.
I know some people would say it is painful for kids to go through this procedure and so it is wrong. But I do not agree. Because babies do not have a developed consciousness to experience this. They cry. Sure. But they cry when you hold them in your hands. Babies are pathetic little human beings. They got no intelligence developed. They got no thoughts developed. They got no consciousness developed. They got no personality developed.
When a baby cries it is a reaction to the operation. It does not feel anything because it does not have a developed brain to feel anything. The baby's reaction is only a reaction to what happens to it, but it does not feel it.
No one remembers their circumcision. If you were circumcised and you never knew what it was then you would not even know that you got your genitals mutilated when you were a baby. Because babies do not carry on these thoughts with them. They have no thoughts to carry on with them.
When a babies cries it cries not because it feels depression or pain. It cries to get attention from their parents. That is the evolutionary purpose of crying. Babies cry to attract the attention of their parents.
In fact, I argued some time ago that not only do I support abortion but I support killing little babies, here. Meaning, if it was known that a baby would develop terrible diseases and live a life of complete misery then I support killing it with a lethal injection or something like that. Well, I would actually like to see its head chopped off. That be fun to watch.
Is it gruesome? Oh yes, absolutely. But that does not make it wrong though. I do not think there is anything wrong with killing little babies for the sake of saving them from misery.
Circumcision is a different issue. Because with circumcision you are changing their body for their future, for when they do become conscious intelligent beings. To clarify what I am saying even though I do not find it wrong to kill babies when they are just babies, I do consider it wrong to cut off their arms and legs and let them live. Because that way you inflict a life of suffering on someone in the future that will be a conscious intelligent being.
My objection to circumcision is not based on the moment. That is to say, I do not object to circumcision for what is being done to the baby. Because the baby is so pathetic, so simple, thoughtless, and without a consciousness, that it does not matter what you to do it. Even if you boil it alive, I seriously doubt it is capable of feeling anything at all because it is without consciousness (a "soul").
So if I see a baby that is skinned-alive I do not see what is wrong in that in and of itself. If I see a baby that is boiled-alive I do not see what is wrong in that in and of itself. If I see a baby that has its anus ripped apart open by some hard priest cock that penetrates though the tiny hole, I do not see what is wrong in that in and of itself. If I see a baby that is put into a blender and made into a new dish that you eat, I do not see what is wrong in that in and of itself. If I see a baby that it pitched to someone to hit it with a baseball bat, I do not see what is wrong in that in and of itself.
Because it is just a piece of meat. A living piece of meat but a piece of meat nonetheless. If a baby actually did have thoughts, feelings, consciousness, and an intelligence to it then I would certainly consider all of these actions to be terrible. In fact, if instead of a baby I used a dog, I would consider that to be wrong. A dog does not have much of an intelligence, but it does have a limited consciousness. And because of that it will feel pain for all the terrible things that you do to it. But if it is some newborn baby that is a pathetic piece of meat then I do not care. Do with it as you like.
I understand that people would feel wrong. If babies are put into blenders people would certainly feel wrong. Because they are just reacting to their evolutionary developed feelings. If we see cruelty then we feel wrong. It is in human nature to feel that way. So if you see a baby in a blender or in a microwave you would certainly feel that something is wrong. But from a purely intellectual position there is no objection to be made to putting a baby into a blender.
It appears to me that the standard objection that people have to circumcision is its cruelty. They see cruelty inflicted on a baby and they object to the cruelty by saying it is an evil practice. They do also mention that only adults can decide for themselves if they want their genitals mutilated. But it appears that their primary objection is the cruelty.
My primary objection is very different. I am not bothered by the cruelty because there is no reason to be bothered by the cruelty.
There are other things that I do consider much worse than circumcision. For example, child indoctrination. Circumcision is a rather minor procedure that does not have any real negative effect on people other than that it dulls their penis sensitivity. Indoctrination leads most children to a life of intellectual slavery. It dulls their curiosity and their intellect. That I find a lot worse.
Child spanking is also something that I consider worse than circumcision. Because I see it as a form of child abuse. Parents make their children fearful of what they say. Parents do not teach them why something is wrong but rather just teach their children to be obedient to what they tell them. Not because of some reason, other than that they are the parents and they must do what the parents say. If they refuse they will be punished for that.
Of course what I said regarding circumcision applies to the standard circumcision that is performed today to babies in hospitals. There are much worse forms of circumcision. For example, there are stories of parents who caught their young boy masturbating. They forcefully inflicted a circumcision on him in the belief that a circumcision would stop him from masturbating.
This is something that is definitely a lot worse than any of the other things that I listed. Because this case deals with a boy, not a baby. A boy that has an intellect, a consciousness, a soul, and a will. He is capable of feeling pain. And he is being enslaved against his will by his parents. What he experiences, since he is capable of experience unlike a baby, is torture. That kind of circumcision is torture.
What I really hate is when opponents of circumcision say that circumcision should be banned by comparing modern circumcision to the more primitive form that I described in the above paragraph. They are being disingenuous. But that is not how modern circumcision is done, and furthermore we are dealing with a pathetic little baby, not some fully aware boy.
If circumcision was done in the more barbaric fashion of inflicting torture on boys. Then if you proposed to ban it you would have a point. But do not compare the modern form of circumcision to the more barbaric one. Remember what we are discussing is not some extreme torturous form of circumcision but the common standard one in practice today.
The modern form is certainly wrong for the reasons that I explained. And I would love to see it end. But you need to be fair. Stop comparing it to the more evil things in the world. Admit that the reason why you do it is to gain some emotional points in what you say. You do it because you want to appeal to the people's passions rather than intellect.